Question and answer with England's Graham Thorpe
The Cricketer International - 24 March 1999
How are you and what is the current situation with the back?
I'm fine. since I came back from Australia I've had the back
rescanned to check that there are no major structural problems,
and gone through a comprehensive period of rehabilitation.
Together with fitness coaches from the ECB and Surrey, we've been
trying to build up the strength in the back from the small muscle
groups all the way through to overall strength in the body, and
then working on combining the functional skills cricket demands.
Obviously, I've gained a lot more knowledge about my back now and
if I get a little pain starting, I can tell what to be concerned
about and what not. For instance, if a two-hour car journey
stiffens the back up I can do the appropriate exercises at the
time.
What has been your fitness regime over the last few months?
I'm at the stage now where I'm back in the nets, running between
the wickets and putting my body through what I would call extreme
skills in one-day cricket such as diving, and stopping and
starting quickly, so I'm up to a good level in my own belief. The
time scale has been the crucial factor. During your career when
you come out of a side you never quite know how you might
struggle to get back in it, you don't want to miss too many games
so you try to beat the clock. In Australia when it hit me, I
realised that I had to assess properly what was happening to my
career. I want to play cricket for a few more years yet.
Take us back to when the back problems first started.
It was many years ago when I first had a back spasm, but I was so
much younger then and I didn't think anything of it. It happened
again a couple of years later when I was about 25; I suppose
there were just two or three over a six or seven-year period. I
could handle that. Then in Sharjah last year I started to get
more and more pain, from activity like exercising during the
warm-up. I received anti-inflammatories to get me through
matches; we were dealing with it. Following Sharjah I went to the
West Indies and had the episode in Barbados, which was probably
the first time it happened while I'd been batting.
That became quite a tough situation with so many games. I kept
getting the feeling of my back giving way, and because I was
trying to redistribute the weight my leg hurt through taking the
strain. Again, with anti-inflammatory injections into the problem
area, I carried on. But all this patching yourself up and getting
yourself back out there doesn't attend to the real problem.
That's just treating the symptoms not the cause.
That's right. Then last summer I'd had a car journey to Hampshire
for a Sunday League match just before the One-Day International
against South Africa, and I went to throw slightly off balance in
the warm-up and again it went back into spasm. I had an epidural
injection to try to settle it down again. It did for about six
weeks, and then there was the episode in Manchester. So the
attacks were coming closer and closer together, which specialists
will tell you is a typical case of weakness in the back where,
due to a lack of strength, slight movements trigger off spasms. A
series of scans revealed that the facet joint by the disc had
become rather jagged, and I had a minor operation to smooth it
down and remove a small cyst. They gave me about 6 to 8 weeks to
be active.
All seemed to be fine out in Australia for the first few weeks,
although managing to do all the strengthening exercises as we
were going along and playing was becoming difficult. Then we had
a bad flight which set the back off again and forced me to miss
the Perth Test. That wasn't really a back spasm, it was just
chronic back stiffness more than anything. Worse followed going
down to Melbourne to play Victoria when I had this feeling of
instability again and it became clear I would take no further
part in the tour.
That must have been a huge blow having had the two lay-offs and
started the tour so well that you recorded your highest
first-class score. Has it affected your confidence?
Not really, no - not massively. Obviously the lay-off has given
me time to really assess the situation and I now find myself
almost starting again. You have to take a few blows in your
career and you have to bounce back. With the World Cup coming up
and the season ahead, this is going to be another test for me
now.
The schedules and the amount of cricket I've played over 10 years
won't have helped the situation but with the knowledge I've
gained I hope I'll be able to manage myself better. If after the
last lay-off I'd gone back and really struggled then I think my
confidence may have been affected. I do find, though, that when
you haven't played for ages sharpness might just take a little
while to come back, which can lead to apprehension that the body
will hold up and that your form will return with natural
progress.
I'm raring to go. I haven't felt this way about coming back
before. I've gone back to all the basics, building all the skills
up, and that has been quite an exciting time, almost like I was a
young kid learning everything again.
Have you had a mentor as such?
I've been under Dr Philip Bell, who has overseen things from the
ECB, and a guy called Tim Laskey, who I've trained with for years
and has been an inspiration. We work on the mental side and build
up the body strength in isolated, invigorating conditions in
Grayshott. Now cricket takes over, but I'll pay much more
attention to the body mechanics in future.
I guess that being at home for Christmas must have been
considerable consolation.
Oh, yes. I was very disappointed about breaking down but I have a
family here who have supported me for many years - they've been
fantastic - and my little boy is two. I love my cricket but my
family is more important.
To ensure a World Cup place you have to prove your fitness in the
Sharjah triangular just when your wife's expecting your second
child. An unfortunate dilemma...
Yes, it's slap bang in the middle of the schedule and there won't
be any chance of me coming back as the trip is only three weeks.
We couldn't have timed it worse really! It's been a tough
decision. I'd love to be there, but we've had to look at the
overall picture.
Have the problems necessitated any change in your technique?
Posture is something you usually don't pay any attention to, but
it's important. It's tough when you're batting for long periods
of time and get a little tired; the batting position is not a
perfect one for our bodies.
It's good that I've had all these nets to get through the initial
twinges of pain and tiredness, the tense muscles and tightness.
I'm quite confident I can take all this forward and, hopefully,
I'll have a good period of time where I'm out there consistently.
It's unsettling when you play and then have time off injured. You
have to be able to fight back and be philosophical about a bit of
adversity.
A lot of people had written you off.
Yes, that spurs me on. I'm going to have a lot of fun coming
back. The press annoy me, it's more sensationalism than anything
else. I feel that I've still got a lot to offer and just want to
get back out there and enjoy it.
What about about fielding in the slips? Could hours of crouching
be a problem?
We have this theory in England that you can only field in one
position which is an unfortunate way of thinking. I'm sure you
have to have your best fielders in the right position but I think
that you should practise in other areas as well. I'd like to get
my legs running a bit more to keep the body a little warmer.
Being stuck in the same position for long periods of time
probably added to the stress.
For England supporters there's something very reassuring about
your presence when you walk out to bat. Like the fastest gun in
town, you always seem coolness personnified. Is that an act?
It's more a case of concentration when you go to the crease. You
try to focus, there's quite a lot going on out there, with a
noisy crowd etc. I try to just break it down to the real
situation which is bowler versus batsman. That's the skill of the
game, to try to keep it quite simple.
There's quite a psychological warfare out there at times and body
language is very important.
Oh yes. Bowlers sometimes might give a little bit more away but
as a batter you have to try not to be distracted, try to bring
the 'blood level' down. I try to ignore the sledging, but if I
think the bowler might be getting affected himself, I might have
to play the game a little bit. I've played a lot of football,
where a bloke taps you on the shoulder in the first minute and
says he's going to break your leg. The thought of a set of studs
coming through the back of your leg is a little more threatening
than a cricket ball from 22 yards.
How do you occupy yourself before going out to bat. Do you have a
regular routine?
If I'm batting at five I might just watch the first few overs go
down, to see what the pitch is doing, and then try to relax maybe read a book. When a wicket goes down, I get padded up and
pay more attention and watch the game and soak up the atmosphere.
There's always nerves as well: not ridiculous, never a shaking
wreck, but once you get over the rope, that's the best feeling
because you're in control of the situation.
What did you make of England's performance in the Ashes series?
I only watched bits of it. I'm not a particularly good watcher of
cricket; I won't do it on my days off. What with a two-year-old
who gets me up at 7 o'clock in the morning wanting to do jigsaw
puzzles, plus three or four days a week training I had my hands
full.
But, I thought it was pretty typical of England every time we
play away. We sometimes play brilliantly but like a lot of teams
we are searching for that consistency in our game. I think it's
bred out of our domestic system in this modern era. Towards the
end of the one-day series it was very hard. During a tour you
work and fight, but at the end, especially one that has gone on
for four months, the capabilities to fight back in adversity
become harder. Maybe the belief goes slightly towards the end. I
just saw a pattern of inconsistency which we are always talking
about and constantly striving to eradicate.
Yet again there were too many of those dreadful middle/late-order
collapses that happen so often with England.
There are some pretty ruthless bowlers around the world who will
expose the tail, and if our tail is starting at 7 or 8 we're all
pretty aware that nine times out of 10 we're not going to get
massive scores out of them, which puts a lot more emphasis on the
guys up the top of the order to score. The reality is our tail
over a period of say 10 innings might wag a couple of times; it's
not for the lack of trying but after a couple of bumpers in the
right area they are struggling technically to survive.
How difficult has it been being a member of the England side in
the last few years when the press and media have been on the
team's back?
It hurts when anything is personal. I'm open to the belief that
if someone should criticise me or any of the team professionally
then that's a part of the job that we're in. But I think only if
it gets very personal would I approach a reporter. I was much
quieter when I first started, I just played and got on with it.
Now I'm more understanding of what the press want; they have a
job to do just like we do. As long as you've got a few people who
love and care for you then you can forget about those who are
having a little stab at you.
You must know Alec Stewart as well as anyone. How do you think
he's coping with the England captaincy?
It's been tough for him and considering the length of time he's
been playing and the number of roles he's undertaken it's
incredible what he's doing. Alec is a remarkable cricketer in
many ways: he's strong and is very dedicated to his cricket, and
makes massive sacrifices to all of us. The longer he goes on the
more he amazes people around him. I'm slightly more philosophical
about life.
The job carries so much baggage now
The hour after the game he is having to talk to the press. Why do
the press need to be spoken to every day during a Test match? I
mean the guys have been watching the game, surely they can just
report on the match. Maybe they need to speak to someone who has
scored a hundred, to add a little juice to it, but every day…
it's bizarre.
Do you have any aspirations as far as captaincy is concerned?
Strangely, your name never seems to come up.
I do as time's gone on. I captained a few games for Surrey in
1994 when Alec was away, just after the West Indies tour and the
New Zealand series, and I enjoyed it. But once I got back in the
England side it didn't seem that I would have a role like that
with Surrey, being away so much. If you're not a county captain
or vice-captain people automatically think perhaps he doesn't
want to do it, that there must be a lack of ambition there. But
on the contrary, with the amount of knowledge I've gained on the
field and in the dressing-room I'd like to be able to have a go.
I'm not going to go and chase it but if someone thought I could
do the job I certainly wouldn't back away from it.
How do you rate our chances in the World Cup, and who are the
main threats, given the conditions in England?
I think we have a fabulous chance. Minds will be clear after the
winter. You have to be able to draw lines during your life and
put things completely behind you. We all know what the conditions
are going to be like at that time of year in our country and we
have to use that knowledge in our tactics. I see us definitely in
the top three, with South Africa probably favourites. Their
record and ratio of wins over the last four or five years is
awesome and they showed last year that they were capable of
winning in England. Australia also, but we need to remind
ourselves of what we did to them early in the season in '97: we
beat them and we beat them quite easily. At that time of the year
some of the West Indies bowlers could be a handful, and New
Zealand are a capable one-day side as well.
Are you happier facing pace rather than spin?
I think you have to be able to cope with both at the highest
level. If our batsmen have a weakness it is to top quality
leg-spin for the simple reason we don't face it enough to be able
to work out a consistent plan to it.
Are there any particular bowlers you have problems with?
Every country seems to have two or three fantastic quick bowlers
backed up by a very able leg-spinner. I think the best ones are
the ones who get in close to the stumps and bowl wicket to wicket
like Glenn McGrath, Curtly Ambrose or Shaun Pollock. They're the
hardest to work out and play against. The minute you make a
slight error, bang you're gone.
As for spinners: it depends what wicket you're playing on. I
really enjoy the contests against someone like Shane Warne. You
work out your own way of playing him; likewise Anil Kumble, who
is a different prospect on the subcontinent. Watching Saqlain
purvey the off-spinner's art at Surrey last summer was a real
eye-opener.
How do you entertain the idea of ECB contracts, assuming you are
offered one?
Whether this current generation will benefit from it massively I
don't know. For English cricket to go forward we must be more
professional. For instance, our bowlers are over-bowled. You
don't really see the great quicks around the world playing the
amount of domestic cricket our guys do. It looks hard enough for
someone like Glenn McGrath, who's probably mainly playing
international cricket, and the workload that entails; throw in
everything our guys have to do at domestic level and it becomes a
completely different ball game.
I do believe the ECB has got to look after the roots of the
sport, but look after the cream as well because that is what
people focus on. If the cream isn't successful then you're not
encouraging people from the bottom to follow you.
How important is county cricket to you after all these years?
It's still important because cricket is your career and they're
the ones who are handing you your contract every year. I don't
think anyone who plays county cricket will ever scoff at what
they've been given. But if you are seeking to protect the best
and trying to establish a pyramid system then I think ECB
contracts are going to be imperative to the game. Obviously,
though, the structure underneath it has to be right first.
You're 29. Providing you stay fit what ambitions do you now have?
In view of what's happened to me, I just want to make sure I play
with enjoyment instead of going through the motions. There should
always be a sense of purpose there. I don't have massive targets,
just playing and winning tournaments with England and trophies
with Surrey.
You're not a stats man as such?
I was when I was younger. In the cricket world we're brought up
and brainwashed about averages and career stats, but that tends
to encourage you to do well as an individual.
Being coached as a youngster in football you don't operate like
that, it has to be more of a team effort. Likewise a cricket team
have to gel together to produce a winning formula.
I'm not going to sit down and look at my own figures when I
retire. I want to win more trophies, that's more important.
That's the main aim I have. And to win the World Cup would be a
brilliant start to what is effectively the second half of my
career.
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